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NEW: We interrupt the armed insurrection and other idiocy to bringin some cogent discussion of Utah's draft class.
Duhwayne - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:21 am [ID# 1806893] false
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jamarcus22 icon
NEW: Would you be kind enough to offer up a summary for those of us not in a position to listen to the audio at the moment? Thanks. (nm)
jamarcus22 - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:27 am [ID# 1806897] false
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NEW: A few things
Fly Fisherman - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:56 am [ID# 1806915] false
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UtahUte72 icon
NEW: He touted Alema Pilimai, unfortunately Alema decommitted from Utah to go to BYU. (nm)
UtahUte72 - Top 25 Poster -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 12:33 pm [ID# 1806935] false
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NEW: For those who support Trump (and others') idea of rounding up 11 million people in the United States I have a question: How many times can they search YOUR house?
wannabeaute - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:20 am [ID# 1806891] false
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HoopUte icon
NEW: Couldn't they just use the same jack-booted thugs that Obama's been using to take away their guns for the last seven years? (nm)
HoopUte - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:24 am [ID# 1806896] false
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NEW: I think for the Trump supporters they just want to search the homes of people that aren't white. (nm)
P-Worm - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:31 am [ID# 1806901] false
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codeRed icon
NEW: Uh, you realize we are in the 21st century now, correct? The gov't and google can predict where you going to go next....
codeRed - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:31 am [ID# 1806902] false
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wannabeaute icon
NEW: So they do this 11 million times? They still have to actually apprehend someone. (short)
wannabeaute - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 12:04 pm [ID# 1806920] false
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Chad Sexington icon
NEW: This is why I hate election years. People take absurd positions and argue them as though they are serious. Maddening. (nm)
Chad Sexington - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:32 am [ID# 1806903] false
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NEW: That's the only reason? Hell, I can think of 20 just off the top of my head. The first being the illusion that we actually have a say on what our govt does. (nm)
codeRed - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:48 am [ID# 1806910] false
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wannabeaute icon
NEW: What's absurd is thinking the roundup could happen without house to house searches.
wannabeaute - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:53 am [ID# 1806913] false
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NEW: Kind of like Bernie saying he's going to provide free college education. Not going to happen. (nm)
javadave - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 01:08 pm [ID# 1806947] false
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pangloss icon
NEW: Let's assume it was possible to round up 11 million of our neighbors and dump them over the border. The humanitarian disaster in Mexico would rival the Syrian tragedy. Some of us care about that sort of thing. (nm)
pangloss - Top 25 Poster -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 12:08 pm [ID# 1806922] false
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UtahUte72 icon
NEW: Does anyone actually support Trump on the issues or is it more entertainment value? (nm)
UtahUte72 - Top 25 Poster -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 12:17 pm [ID# 1806925] false
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wannabeaute icon
NEW: Oh I don't know. But it was one of the first things that came out of his mouth and he went to about 30% right then. He never has backed off the statement. (nm)
wannabeaute - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 12:24 pm [ID# 1806930] false
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Chad Sexington icon
NEW: It's funny, I know some highly educated, highly successful people who are strongly considering voting for Trump. I think a lot of people are just pissed off at Washington right now. (nm)
Chad Sexington - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 12:31 pm [ID# 1806934] false
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MinnesotaUte icon
NEW: Which is laughable, because nobody is cozier with Washington than Trump. Hell he donated to the Clintons.
MinnesotaUte - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 04:23 pm [ID# 1807018] false
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NEW: I'm voting for Trump, but not because he wants to deport illegal aliens.
ocgreg - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 01:44 pm [ID# 1806951] false
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wannabeaute icon
NEW: Sara Palin can pick out the color! (nm)
wannabeaute - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 02:06 pm [ID# 1806957] false
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Maji Man icon
NEW: Put up a wall and they'll just tunnel under or something.
Maji Man - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 02:37 pm [ID# 1806972] false
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NEW: If they search my house on the right day, they'll find a Mexican gardener and a Mexican maid. (nm)
javadave - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 01:06 pm [ID# 1806946] false
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BigBadUte icon
NEW: Crazy question of the day: At what point do you take up arms against your country?
BigBadUte - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 09:58 am [ID# 1806858] false
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NEW: It's hard to tell in the abstract, tbh. It depends on the situation and would require wholesale ignoring of rights.
ironman1315 - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 10:07 am [ID# 1806859] false
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TheRealU icon
NEW: We are much closer to the gun nuts creating an apocolyptic self-fullfilling-prophecy than we are the government creating one.
TheRealU - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 10:10 am [ID# 1806862] false
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NEW: ^ that.
ironman1315 - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 10:14 am [ID# 1806864] false
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High Uintas icon
NEW: Thank you!
High Uintas - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 10:18 am [ID# 1806867] false
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Puget Ute icon
NEW: The militias are terrifying to regular citizens because they are only as safe as the hair trigger in the heads of the people weilding the massive guns. But the military just looks at them and laughs.
Puget Ute - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 10:29 am [ID# 1806872] false
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Zeous icon
NEW: Oh I don't know... everything depends on perspective. You might consider the plight of the children of "illegals" who have parents carted off by ICE. Raids are currently being conducted in SLC, I hear.
Zeous - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 10:34 am [ID# 1806877] false
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HoopUte icon
NEW: Please enlighten me (at least) on how 353 million guns in 65 million locations will be taken away
HoopUte - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:10 am [ID# 1806883] false
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wannabeaute icon
NEW: By the same government that many people believe can't do anything competently. (nm)
wannabeaute - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:16 am [ID# 1806889] false
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Zeous icon
NEW: I don't know that they *will* be taken away. That there are some who would like to see it happen, I don't think there is any doubt. You'd have to ask them how they would plan to achieve it.
Zeous - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:20 am [ID# 1806892] false
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HoopUte icon
NEW: There are always "some" people that want all sorts of crazy things. The reality is it's f-ing impossible to come up with any reasonable scenario where there's mass disarming of the US public. (nm)
HoopUte - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:23 am [ID# 1806895] false
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Zeous icon
NEW: Okay. Here's some non-imaginative speculation... slow, small, incremental change is the underlying principle.
Zeous - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:45 am [ID# 1806908] false
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Newbomb Turk icon
NEW: There is the problem. Some folks believe that ANY change in gun laws is the first step toward eventually taking away all guns. I don't believe that, but apparently a lot of people do. They believe that any law is the gateway to banning guns (short)
Newbomb Turk - Top 25 Poster -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 12:00 pm [ID# 1806917] false
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Zeous icon
NEW: Perhaps some do believe that one change guarantees a 2nd or 3rd, though of course it would not. It definitely doesn't guarantee there wouldn't be further change, either. Thus the efficacy of incremental change. For better or worse. (nm)
Zeous - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 12:15 pm [ID# 1806924] false
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NEW: I work on hill air force base frequently, I can only imagine the firepower spread across the base. But the guns are in safe hands, you dont hear constant gunfight going on, it's all about the person not the weopon (nm)
IrieUte - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 08:08 pm [ID# 1807059] false
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NEW: Your point on self fulfilling I agree with.
maverick83617 - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 10:43 am [ID# 1806878] false
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execUTEioner icon
NEW: [Citation Needed]
execUTEioner - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:12 am [ID# 1806884] false
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HoopUte icon
NEW: And it needs to be without due process (nm)
HoopUte - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:14 am [ID# 1806886] false
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NEW: I'm not saying I agree with it.
maverick83617 - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:17 am [ID# 1806890] false
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TheRealU icon
NEW: Lets take the latest situation as an example.
TheRealU - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:28 am [ID# 1806898] false
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NEW: No that's not correct.
maverick83617 - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 12:12 pm [ID# 1806923] false
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TheRealU icon
NEW: Okay, so are you talking about eminent domain? Can you clarify what you are talking about?
TheRealU - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 12:22 pm [ID# 1806929] false
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NEW: Ok, for the tenth time. I'm not angry. I'm ok with the way the gov't acts and the way everything in Oregon went down.
maverick83617 - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 12:29 pm [ID# 1806933] false
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execUTEioner icon
NEW: I was looking for specific verifiable examples and not hearsay
execUTEioner - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:56 am [ID# 1806916] false
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NEW: I'm simply saying that to say "everyone feels ......" is never correct.
maverick83617 - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 12:17 pm [ID# 1806926] false
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execUTEioner icon
NEW: So no actual evidence, got it. (nm)
execUTEioner - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 12:19 pm [ID# 1806927] false
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NEW: K
maverick83617 - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 12:24 pm [ID# 1806931] false
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execUTEioner icon
NEW: Oh I believe those are all things exist
execUTEioner - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 12:33 pm [ID# 1806936] false
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codeRed icon
NEW: Well said. Our biggest problem is our prosperity. We have become a bunch of whiny selfish pussies.
codeRed - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:45 am [ID# 1806907] false
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NEW: What the....
annarborute - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 10:15 am [ID# 1806865] false
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Hayes6 icon
NEW: Never. I'd emigrate before taking up arms against the US military.
Hayes6 - Top 25 Poster -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 10:20 am [ID# 1806868] false
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HoopUte icon
NEW: Well you were honest in how you prefaced the question. (nm)
HoopUte - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 10:23 am [ID# 1806869] false
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Chad Sexington icon
NEW: At the point that you've decided to die.
Chad Sexington - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 10:31 am [ID# 1806875] false
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TheRealU icon
NEW: Exactly. This is the part of the guns rights argument that cracks me up the most.
TheRealU - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:35 am [ID# 1806905] false
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Chad Sexington icon
NEW: Gun nuts, gun laws, both extremes are wrong.
Chad Sexington - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:47 am [ID# 1806909] false
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TheRealU icon
NEW: You are exactly right - we are far past the tipping point for gun laws to really be effective.
TheRealU - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 12:29 pm [ID# 1806932] false
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Chad Sexington icon
NEW: Please just wait until after I buy my case of assault rifles. I ordered them over the interwebs. Thanks. (nm)
Chad Sexington - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 12:34 pm [ID# 1806937] false
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NEW: Dude dial back on the Alex Jones before you put us all on a list.
Duhwayne - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:14 am [ID# 1806885] false
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NEW: I think you missed the point of Gattaca because Gattaca is about people choosing their kids in a free market and the kids that weren't genetically modified falling to dregs of society. (nm)
P-Worm - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:33 am [ID# 1806904] false
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BigBadUte icon
NEW: Whoa, you guys reall took my question much further than I intended
BigBadUte - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:52 am [ID# 1806912] false
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pangloss icon
NEW: to answer your question
pangloss - Top 25 Poster -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 12:59 pm [ID# 1806942] false
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Daedalus17 icon
NEW: RE: We are not even close to that line for me. We have alternate methods. Alternates may be expensive, but they exist.
Daedalus17 - Top 25 Poster -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 01:50 pm [ID# 1806953] false
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NEW: Utah's Men's tennis is 9-0 for the first time ever ...
sweetgrass - Top 25 Poster -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 09:48 am [ID# 1806856] false
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joefan icon
NEW: It's been a blast covering them for the Chrony this year.
joefan - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 02:33 pm [ID# 1806969] false
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NEW: Utes host UW: re-scouting the Huskies (long)
Ute_In_Texas - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 09:43 am [ID# 1806854] false
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sweetgrass icon
NEW: wheels (paws) fell off the Huskies mid conference season last year
sweetgrass - Top 25 Poster -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 10:13 am [ID# 1806863] false
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NEW: Dejounte Murray will be good for a missed dunk and a couple of dumb plays. I'm going to mock him mercilessly now because I think he may be a damn good player in a couple of years. (nm)
Sprinkles the Bear - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 03:25 pm [ID# 1807000] false
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NEW: Runnin' Utes missing leadership
Utah Man Podcast - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 07:25 am [ID# 1806838] false
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UTE-MAN icon
NEW: I have to agree with Ute2004 on this issue. The top 1% need to pay a bit more of their far share.
UTE-MAN - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 04:30 am [ID# 1806836] false
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MinnesotaUte icon
NEW: Personally I don't want to hear a single thing more about the 1% until they actually simplify the tax code and take on stupid subsidies such as ethanol and agriculture. Hell it helps my industry but I'd gladly sacrifice the depletion tax credit.
MinnesotaUte - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 06:45 am [ID# 1806837] false
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NEW: I can't help but think a flat tax that everyone actually just paid would end up getting the rich to pay more. I dunno tho. (nm)
Virginia Ute - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 09:08 am [ID# 1806846] false
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utahute05 icon
NEW: RE: I can't help but think a flat tax that everyone actually just paid would end up getting the rich to pay more. I dunno tho.
utahute05 - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 09:25 am [ID# 1806850] false
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bopahull icon
NEW: Do away with income tax and go with a federal sales tax. (nm)
bopahull - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 02:23 pm [ID# 1806965] false
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pangloss icon
NEW: sequential reform would take a couple hundred years
pangloss - Top 25 Poster -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:02 am [ID# 1806882] false
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scratch icon
NEW: How could a flat tax lower the uber-rich's taxes? All I ever read is that they pay miniscule amounts of taxes due to the unnamed loopholes and capital gains rates. (nm)
scratch - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:15 am [ID# 1806887] false
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scratch icon
NEW: And by the way, that post should be read with a heavy dose of sarcasm. (nm)
scratch - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:16 am [ID# 1806888] false
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MinnesotaUte icon
NEW: Yeah, this whole tax question is one that I wish we could solve with logic.
MinnesotaUte - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 03:16 pm [ID# 1806996] false
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Kuma icon
NEW: Just to add another perspective...
Kuma - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 07:32 am [ID# 1806839] false
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Maji Man icon
NEW: You have nearly $1M in student loans?
Maji Man - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 09:12 am [ID# 1806847] false
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Kuma icon
NEW: Nope. The max interest that you can deduct is $2500, and you can't actually deduct it if you make over 80k (or $160k if filing jointly)...
Kuma - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 09:26 am [ID# 1806851] false
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HoopUte icon
NEW: So I have to ask, when you built up that debt, was there any possibility for you to pay that off based on what you'd make?
HoopUte - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 10:29 am [ID# 1806873] false
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MarioLemUte icon
NEW: I don't know how old you are hoop
MarioLemUte - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 10:48 am [ID# 1806880] false
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Kuma icon
NEW: Similar story... (long)
Kuma - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:42 am [ID# 1806906] false
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MarioLemUte icon
NEW: Well said. Sounds nearly like mine. (nm)
MarioLemUte - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 02:12 pm [ID# 1806962] false
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HoopUte icon
NEW: Old enough to not have those amounts, but it doesn't matter. My step-son is a doctor, and he finished up a few years back with much less than $1M in debt
HoopUte - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:50 am [ID# 1806911] false
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pangloss icon
NEW: That's a stunning amount - regardless of your degrees. Clinton and Sanders want to cut existing student loan interest rates. That sounds like a good change. Any thoughts?
pangloss - Top 25 Poster -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:55 am [ID# 1806914] false
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NEW: You may not be living high on the hog now but once that student debt is paid off, you'll be doing far better than most and that's why you took on that debt. It's why I don't feel sorry for doctors and such ...
96GradAlum - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 10:27 am [ID# 1806871] false
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o
NEW: LOL
wolandmd - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 07:35 am [ID# 1806840] false
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o
NEW: I am not sure I understand your point. We should not impose any taxes on the wealthy, unless we "tax the $#!+" out of everyone because ..... ? (nm)
Ute Bear - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 09:20 am [ID# 1806849] false
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NEW: simple
wolandmd - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:29 am [ID# 1806899] false
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MarioLemUte icon
NEW: I think there are good compromises.
MarioLemUte - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 09:06 am [ID# 1806845] false
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pangloss icon
NEW: There's a lot of money given to politicians to grandstand for rich folks to pay even less tax (long)
pangloss - Top 25 Poster -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 10:24 am [ID# 1806870] false
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96GradAlum icon
NEW: Pang, I clicked the red-star button 82 times but it only registered one for this post Well put sir! (nm)
96GradAlum - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 10:30 am [ID# 1806874] false
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pangloss icon
NEW: Thanks, it's one of my favorite soap boxes. (nm)
pangloss - Top 25 Poster -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 10:32 am [ID# 1806876] false
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96GradAlum icon
NEW: Pang has shown how the uber-rich keep their money, let's talk about how they use it ...
96GradAlum - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 10:48 am [ID# 1806879] false
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MinnesotaUte icon
NEW: I've said it a million times, you will NEVER take the money out of politics until you take the power out of politics.
MinnesotaUte - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 03:39 pm [ID# 1807003] false
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96GradAlum icon
NEW: You might be right with all that but I'm still voting for Sanders. He's the only one even talking about the issue. Every other candidate is just part of the problem and playing the same old game. It's like buying organic. I can't validate ...
96GradAlum - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 04:20 pm [ID# 1807017] false
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MinnesotaUte icon
NEW: As weird as it sounds, at this point I'm having a hard time talking myself out of Bernie (long)
MinnesotaUte - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 04:39 pm [ID# 1807028] false
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Zeous icon
NEW: And almost nobody paid income taxes in 1937. People just ignored it. It's debated whether the 16th amendment was ever ratified by the states. Massive advertising campaigns were undertaken to get more people to file and pay over the decades after
Zeous - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 10:55 am [ID# 1806881] false
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pangloss icon
NEW: My point is not that the 1937 brackets were correct, only that more brackets and higher rates are not new or unique.
pangloss - Top 25 Poster -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:31 am [ID# 1806900] false
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NEW: I do agree 100% that we need to clean up what constitutes capital gains so that people can't hide salary as capital gains. We need to protect capital investment, as the lower capital gains rate intends. (nm)
scratch - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 11:21 am [ID# 1806894] false
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NEW: I would like to know the relationship between the capital gains tax rate and investment capital availability. We all assume there's a one-to-one tie. But the markets are so screwy now, I don't think we can assume anything any longer. (nm)
pangloss - Top 25 Poster -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 12:02 pm [ID# 1806919] false
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NEW: This makes the hair on my neck stand up: " It is not even enough that it should have been gained without doing damage to the community. We should permit it to be gained only so long as the gaining represents benefit to the community"
MinnesotaUte - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 03:25 pm [ID# 1806999] false
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NEW: Anyone know when the combine invites are posted (nm)
Duhwayne - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 03:08 am [ID# 1806834] false
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NEW: The big news over here is the Eddie is a go. (nm)
UtahUte72 - Top 25 Poster -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 01:06 am [ID# 1806829] false
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NEW: Eddie Would Go! (nm)
MeSoVanHorny - -- Wednesday 10 February 2016, at 08:47 am [ID# 1806844] false
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