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NEW: I have one more question to any who are interested. midnightversion - Top 25 Poster -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 10:16 am [ID# 1319241] [reply]

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NEW: It's all in the handshakes.... (nm) Crafty Ute - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 10:20 am [ID# 1319246] [reply]

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NEW: Were they authorized by the church, or just renegade polygamists doing them on their own? Crimsonute - Top 25 Poster -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 10:23 am [ID# 1319248] [reply]

NEW: Well the Mormons of Utefans are for sure breaking the Word of Wisdom.....fat asses. (nm) alUmnUs - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 10:30 am [ID# 1319254] [reply]

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NEW: Somehow this information slipped through the cracks..... midnightversion - Top 25 Poster -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 10:34 am [ID# 1319257] [reply]

NEW: Just curious.....what do you think this suggests? (nm) alUmnUs - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 10:49 am [ID# 1319271] [reply]

NEW: It's one very small example of what I believe to be a post-Manifesto that was sanctioned by someone with the power to do so in the church. midnightversion - Top 25 Poster -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 10:54 am [ID# 1319275] [reply]

NEW: The record you cited is not a formal LDS church record. Data on the church's ancestral files can be compiled and submitted by anyone. For the most part they are collected and submitted by individuals who are compiling and researching their own (short) alUmnUs - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:20 am [ID# 1319304] [reply]

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NEW: They deleted my grandfather's birth, baptism, and sealing in the temple to his wife, after he left the LDS Church to join a group that was claiming to live the fullness of the Gospel. midnightversion - Top 25 Poster -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:29 am [ID# 1319315] [reply]

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NEW: Did he leave the LDS church or was he excommunicated? I think we may be talking about two different sets of records. alUmnUs - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:45 am [ID# 1319344] [reply]

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NEW: Some of them were General Authorities. (nm) Maji Man - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 10:56 am [ID# 1319280] [reply]

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NEW: RE: Some of them were General Authorities. midnightversion - Top 25 Poster -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:05 am [ID# 1319289] [reply]

NEW: To which individuals, in particular, would you be referring? If you're compiling research specific to your question I'd guess that you have specific names, dates, locations, ordinance workers, etc., from which to detail the circumstances and stories alUmnUs - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 10:29 am [ID# 1319252] [reply]

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NEW: I've compiled a startling amount of information on specific events detailing places, times and people involved. midnightversion - Top 25 Poster -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 10:36 am [ID# 1319260] [reply]

NEW: RE: To which individuals, in particular, would you be referring? If you're compiling research specific to your question I'd guess that you have specific names, dates, locations, ordinance workers, etc., from which to detail the circumstances and sto midnightversion - Top 25 Poster -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:08 am [ID# 1319292] [reply]

NEW: The Manifesto was not a statement that abolished the doctrine of plural marriage. alUmnUs - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:38 am [ID# 1319327] [reply]

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NEW: Those keys are NOT held by the President of the Church. midnightversion - Top 25 Poster -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:44 am [ID# 1319340] [reply]

NEW: The key to seal is held by the Prophet. (nm) alUmnUs - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 12:16 pm [ID# 1319366] [reply]

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NEW: RE: I have one more question to any who are interested. We will rock U - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 10:34 am [ID# 1319256] [reply]

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NEW: It's my opinion that what happened to John W. Taylor and why hasn't been completely presented to the masses. midnightversion - Top 25 Poster -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 10:40 am [ID# 1319263] [reply]

NEW: If the Church didn't sanction them why are they recorded in their church owned and operated genealogy site? (nm) midnightversion - Top 25 Poster -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 10:41 am [ID# 1319266] [reply]

NEW: Because they are actual family histories. (nm) alUmnUs - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 10:53 am [ID# 1319274] [reply]

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NEW: ^^ this ^^, IMO (nm) We will rock U - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 10:56 am [ID# 1319279] [reply]

NEW: B.H. Roberts' own words concerning post-Manifesto plural marriages. midnightversion - Top 25 Poster -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:02 am [ID# 1319284] [reply]

NEW: So in other words, there were people who refused to adhere to the counsel of WW? (nm) alUmnUs - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:16 am [ID# 1319300] [reply]

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NEW: Is it a surprise to you that high-ranking LDS church leaders sin? (nm) scratch - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:43 am [ID# 1319337] [reply]

NEW: No. I'm merely saying that, in this instance, it wasn't a sin. (nm) midnightversion - Top 25 Poster -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:51 am [ID# 1319348] [reply]

NEW: Matthias Cowley testified in a 1911 trial that..... midnightversion - Top 25 Poster -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 10:49 am [ID# 1319270] [reply]

NEW: I think it is very clear that plural marriage - its purposes, practices, etc are misunderstood by many. We will rock U - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:10 am [ID# 1319294] [reply]

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NEW: I've always wonder how a manifeso can override an "eternal commandment"? (nm) Flyer - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 10:40 am [ID# 1319265] [reply]

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NEW: I don't think "override" is the right word. Perhaps "ammend"? FountainofUte - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:04 am [ID# 1319287] [reply]

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NEW: So God makes amendments now? Commandment 1 and commandment 1a? (nm) Flyer - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:08 am [ID# 1319291] [reply]

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NEW: It's not the perfect example, but essentially, yeah. FountainofUte - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:35 am [ID# 1319324] [reply]

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NEW: Ever watch a dog chase its tail? Utah County Ute - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 10:54 am [ID# 1319276] [reply]

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NEW: midnight, I like you and respect your right to believe as your conscience desires. I also think that polygamy was a terrible, tragic mistake the scars from which remain all over the church psyche. I'm glad it stopped. I wish it never happened. (nm) Duhwayne - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 10:56 am [ID# 1319278] [reply]

NEW: Are you LDS? midnightversion - Top 25 Poster -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:11 am [ID# 1319295] [reply]

NEW: Not sure which of the many positions are the real ones? Flyer - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:15 am [ID# 1319299] [reply]

NEW: Ethnically, yes, I am a Mormon. I also married a devout LDS woman and am supportive of her. As for me personally, I am not sure what my category should be and don't much care. I consult my conscience and God without need of an intermediary. Duhwayne - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:30 am [ID# 1319316] [reply]

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NEW: D. Michael Quinn wrote a good article on this topic in the Spring 1985 issue of Dialogue. (nm) DC Ute - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:00 am [ID# 1319282] [reply]

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NEW: Midnight, I believe I used to know someone who belonged to your church Utah County Ute - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:03 am [ID# 1319286] [reply]

NEW: Tough to say. There are so many offshoots. (nm) midnightversion - Top 25 Poster -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:05 am [ID# 1319288] [reply]

NEW: Ahhhh I see. So why so many off shoots? What was the reason for your congregations "off shoot"? Utah County Ute - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:09 am [ID# 1319293] [reply]

NEW: I'm not with the AUB group, so no. midnightversion - Top 25 Poster -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:13 am [ID# 1319296] [reply]

NEW: Interesting. Ok must be a different group. Utah County Ute - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:18 am [ID# 1319302] [reply]

NEW: John Taylor ordained and set apart a group of men in 1886 to continue and maintain the fullness of the Gospel. (nm) midnightversion - Top 25 Poster -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:25 am [ID# 1319308] [reply]

NEW: This being the Wooley's and George Q. Cannon? (nm) Utah County Ute - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:28 am [ID# 1319311] [reply]

NEW: yep (nm) We will rock U - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:31 am [ID# 1319318] [reply]

NEW: Wrong. George Q. Cannon was never set apart on that day with that group of men in 1886. (nm) midnightversion - Top 25 Poster -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:37 am [ID# 1319325] [reply]

NEW: Okay, my opinion: midnightversion - Top 25 Poster -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:34 am [ID# 1319322] [reply]

NEW: So once John Taylor ordained the Wooley's and Cannon to carry on plural marriage he lost the priesthood? Utah County Ute - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:41 am [ID# 1319335] [reply]

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NEW: When John Taylor ordained that group of men, of which Cannon was never a part, he didn't lose his priesthood. midnightversion - Top 25 Poster -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 11:46 am [ID# 1319345] [reply]

NEW: please explain how they lost the priesthood? Utah County Ute - -- Tuesday 31 January 2012, at 12:02 pm [ID# 1319359] [reply]

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