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Ah... the truth

Posted By: Rocker Ute
Date: Friday, February 10, 2012 at 12:12 pm

So, first of all, this law in Florida went into effect in July of 2011... as of August they had tested 40 applicants, with 2 of those applicants not passing. At the time the cost was at least $1,140. The savings of the 2 was less than $240 a month.

Hardly sample data anyway...

My source is those bastians of conservativism, the ACLU.

Even looking at other sources, in the 6 months this would have been enacted, at a generally agreed upon cost of test at $30 that gets reimbursed by the state if the user passes, that would mean that almost 6 million people would have had to take the drug test and passed in 6 months to reach $178M figure.

The population of Florida is 18.5 M.

If 1/3 of the population of Florida filed for unemployment benefits in the past 6 months, they've got lots more to worry about than the cost of drug screening.

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SubstiUTE icon NEW: Regarding "Social Issues" that some think are a huge problem and waste of taxpayers money.
SubstiUTE - -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 11:42 am [ID# 1324737] [reply]
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Virginia Ute icon NEW: Those numbers don't add up to me....I'm fairly informed on the costs of standard drug screening tests. Source? (nm)
Virginia Ute - -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 11:45 am [ID# 1324741] [reply]
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UtahUte72 icon NEW: Substitute doesn't understand the effect of deterrance. (nm)
UtahUte72 - Top 25 Poster -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 11:47 am [ID# 1324743] [reply]
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utebehindenemylines icon NEW: So in this case, where does the effect of deterrence add up to $178M (nm)
utebehindenemylines - -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 11:51 am [ID# 1324749] [reply]
utebehindenemylines icon NEW: and if they don't pass, they don't get their welfare. Meaning they are going to turn to petty crime to get their cash to pay their drug habits. (nm)
utebehindenemylines - -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 11:52 am [ID# 1324750] [reply]
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UtahUte72 icon NEW: Or they will engage in MORE criminal activity than they are already doing to support their habit.
UtahUte72 - Top 25 Poster -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 11:55 am [ID# 1324753] [reply]
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utebehindenemylines icon NEW: I'm not sure one goes from petty crime to murdering someone that quickly. But that is another discussion. Side note, I find Becker's thoughts on economics and crime fascinating. (nm)
utebehindenemylines - -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 12:00 pm [ID# 1324759] [reply]
UtahUte72 icon NEW: The government spends a lot more testing soliders and employees with probably a lower percentage of failure rate.
UtahUte72 - Top 25 Poster -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 11:53 am [ID# 1324751] [reply]
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TheBaron icon NEW: You greatly overestimate the percentage of Americans that abuse drugs at any given moment.
TheBaron - Top 25 Poster -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 12:08 pm [ID# 1324767] [reply]
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o NEW: Well how many jobs did this create or retain? (nm)
EducatedUfan - -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 12:19 pm [ID# 1324776] [reply]
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Puget Ute icon NEW: FWIW there was an article in the paper yesterday talking about the move from 'expensive' Oxycontin to the 'cheaper' Heroin. How ironic is that? (short)
Puget Ute - -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 01:44 pm [ID# 1324802] [reply]
Rocker Ute icon NEW: Its a GRAPH posted by someone on Facebook... you don't need a source. (nm)
Rocker Ute - Top 25 Poster -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 11:51 am [ID# 1324747] [reply]
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480ute icon NEW: I don't take any study involving Florida too seriously. That state is an anomaly.
480ute - Top 25 Poster -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 12:07 pm [ID# 1324764] [reply]
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Puget Ute icon NEW: They prefer to be called 'The Sunshine State'. (nm)
Puget Ute - -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 01:44 pm [ID# 1324803] [reply]
61_Shasta icon NEW: The numbers are from the Tampa Tribune
61_Shasta - -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 01:34 pm [ID# 1324798] [reply]
UtahUte72 icon NEW: So following that analogy.
UtahUte72 - Top 25 Poster -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 11:46 am [ID# 1324742] [reply]
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SubstiUTE icon NEW: Yeah, Murder and Drug Screening, same thing. Death Penalty keeps people from killing people too. Right?
SubstiUTE - -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 11:58 am [ID# 1324757] [reply]
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GarthUte icon NEW: How many murders has Ted Bundy committed since he was executed? (nm)
GarthUte - -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 12:02 pm [ID# 1324761] [reply]
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utebehindenemylines icon NEW: Did Bundy start murdering people to finance his healthy drug habit? (nm)
utebehindenemylines - -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 12:04 pm [ID# 1324762] [reply]
Puget Ute icon NEW: According to some people I know, Bundy probably murdered people to finance his porn addiction... (nm)
Puget Ute - -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 01:46 pm [ID# 1324804] [reply]
o NEW: Fear of capital punishment doesn't deter sociopaths and insane people
EducatedUfan - -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 12:05 pm [ID# 1324763] [reply]
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UtahUte72 icon NEW: It certainly prevents them from committing future crimes.
UtahUte72 - Top 25 Poster -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 12:25 pm [ID# 1324778] [reply]
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o NEW: Get paroled when they are life without parol?
EducatedUfan - -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 12:28 pm [ID# 1324781] [reply]
UtahUte72 icon NEW: Or released for other reasons, same thing. (nm)
UtahUte72 - Top 25 Poster -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 12:30 pm [ID# 1324784] [reply]
o NEW: Ok escaping...I know we were talking about Nicholas Cage earlier but CON AIR ISN'T REAL!!! (nm)
EducatedUfan - -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 12:49 pm [ID# 1324791] [reply]
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o NEW: RE: It certainly prevents them from committing future crimes.
HandsomeBob - -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 07:27 pm [ID# 1324934] [reply]
SubstiUTE icon NEW: The fear of being caught did not stop him from killing though did it?
SubstiUTE - -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 12:08 pm [ID# 1324766] [reply]
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Ute_In_Texas icon NEW: How many murders did Cameron Todd Willingham commit before he was executed?
Ute_In_Texas - -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 02:22 pm [ID# 1324816] [reply]
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TheBaron icon NEW: Dumbest analogy ever.
TheBaron - Top 25 Poster -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 12:14 pm [ID# 1324770] [reply]
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Rocker Ute icon NEW: Ah... the truth
Rocker Ute - Top 25 Poster -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 12:12 pm [ID# 1324769] [reply]
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Rocker Ute icon NEW: And the real question is why do I care? I don't, I just hate how both sides of the aisle love to use bogus numbers that get converted into graphs, sent through social media, and the simple-minded look at the pretty picture and think it is true.
Rocker Ute - Top 25 Poster -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 12:15 pm [ID# 1324771] [reply]
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TheBaron icon NEW: Sounds about right. These USA Today style charts and graphics are almost always specious (and oftentimes just straight up retarded). (nm)
TheBaron - Top 25 Poster -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 12:16 pm [ID# 1324772] [reply]
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UtahUte72 icon NEW: The real problem in my mind is that we are even cutting these guys a check.
UtahUte72 - Top 25 Poster -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 12:29 pm [ID# 1324782] [reply]
o NEW: This problem is easily solved by random sampling. McDonald's doesn't measure every single french fry. You just need the threat of losing benefits. (nm)
autahfan - -- Friday 10 February 2012, at 04:21 pm [ID# 1324886] [reply]
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