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Taking your post out of context, I agree that "Romney wouldn't have OKd the raid"

Posted By: pangloss
Date: Monday, May 7, 2012 at 03:05 pm

In Peter Bergen's book "Man Hunt", he says the intelligence folks gave estimates of 40 to 80 percent that bin Laden was in the compound. Some of the President's top advisers recommended against the raid. Some recommended an air strike. Sec of State Clinton is reported saying "It’s a very close call, but I would say: Do the raid.” This was in March 2011. Once they had the go ahead, they built replicas of the compound and practiced the raid. To suggest Obama delayed the raid is not in the factual record, aka bull $#!+, so to speak

Adm. Mullen, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs says it was President Obama who insisted on additional aircraft backup for the raid. After one of the helicopters crashed, that decision saved the day.

On July 31, 2007 Sen. Obama said that as president, "I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."

In short, he said he would strike inside Pakistan to kill al Qa'ida leaders if given the right set of facts.

At that time Romney responded "I do not concur in the words of Barack Obama in a plan to enter an ally of ours... I don't think those kinds of comments help in this effort to draw more friends to our effort,..."

Also in 2007 during a Republican nominating debate, Romney said:

LIZ SIDOTI: "Why haven't we caught bin Laden in your opinion?"

GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: "I think, I wouldn't want to over-concentrate on Bin Laden. He's one of many, many people who are involved in this global Jihadist effort. He's by no means the only leader. It's a very diverse group – Hamas, Hezbollah, al-Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood and of course different names throughout the world. It's not worth moving heaven and earth and spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person. It is worth fashioning and executing an effective strategy to defeat global, violent Jihad and I have a plan for doing that."

SIDOTI: "But would the world be safer if bin laden were caught?"

GOVERNOR ROMNEY: "Yes, but by a small percentage increase – a very insignificant increase in safety by virtue of replacing bin Laden with someone else. Zarqawi – we celebrated the killing of Zarqawi, but he was quickly replaced. Global Jihad is not an effort that is being populated by a handful or even a football stadium full of people. It is – it involves millions of people and is going to require a far more comprehensive strategy than a targeted approach for bin laden or a few of his associates."

SIDOTI: "Do you fault the administration for not catching him though? I mean, they've had quite a few years going after him."

GOVERNOR ROMNEY: "There are many things that have not been done perfectly in any conduct of war. In the Second World War, we paratroopered in our troops further than they were supposed to be from the beaches. We landed in places on the beaches that weren't anticipated. Do I fault Eisenhower? No, he won. And I'm nowhere near as consumed with bin Laden as I am concerned about global Jihadist efforts."


Of course, a few days later in a nominating debate he switched,

MODERATOR: "Gov. Romney, respond to the mentioned reference to you ... by Sen. McCain."

ROMNEY: "Thank you. Of course we get Osama bin Laden and track him wherever he has to go, and make sure he pays for the outrage he exacted upon America."

MODERATOR: "Can we move heaven and earth to do it?"

ROMNEY: "We'll move everything to get him. But I don't want to buy into the Democratic pitch that this is all about one person — Osama bin Laden — because after we get him, there's going to be another and another. This is about Shia and Sunni. This is about Hezbollah and Hamas and al-Qaida and the Muslim Brotherhood. This is a worldwide jihadist effort to try and cause the collapse of all moderate Islamic governments and replace them with a caliphate.

"They ultimately want to bring down the United States of America.

"This is a global effort we're going to have to lead to overcome this jihadist effort. It's more than Osama bin Laden.

"But he is going to pay, and he will die."


Now, Romney is quoted saying "even Jimmy Carter would have given that order." Which is a particularly obnoxious thing to say about someone who spent 10 years in the Navy by someone who, like me, avoided the draft.

To suggest Romney might not have made the same decision about the raid is not far fetched or unfair.

Conversely if President Obama were on the record saying anything close to what Romney said, he would be accused of being an al Qa'ida sympathizer.

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Messages In This Thread


Proud2BaUte icon NEW: Presidential Politics
Proud2BaUte - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 12:21 pm [ID# 1356185] [reply]
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o NEW: I really haven't been able to tell difference between Bush and Obama so I say why not four more years?
EducatedUfan - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 12:28 pm [ID# 1356191] [reply]
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o NEW: Supreme court. That's why.
311polo - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 02:23 pm [ID# 1356255] [reply]
thirtyfour-thirtyone icon NEW: Yeah, I heard they might even allow women, homosexuals and minorities to have the same rights and privileges and middle-class white men. Oh, the humanity... (nm)
thirtyfour-thirtyone - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 02:36 pm [ID# 1356264] [reply]
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SeaTacUte icon NEW: Get outside of the ultra-conservative state of Utah and you'll find plenty of people who will be voting for Obama.
SeaTacUte - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 12:29 pm [ID# 1356192] [reply]
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o NEW: I believe that it was the old Soviet guard (for all that that is now) had an appropriate idiom.
Flyer - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 12:37 pm [ID# 1356193] [reply]
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Virginia Ute icon NEW: I agree. There are a decent amount of people who will benefit from another Obama term, and I can't blame them for voting for him. Not me, though. (nm)
Virginia Ute - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 12:39 pm [ID# 1356194] [reply]
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o NEW: I will be voting for a Republican for the first time in my life this fall. There is no way Romney or anyone could be crappier than Obama. (nm)
stampadres - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 12:46 pm [ID# 1356199] [reply]
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o NEW: I would have voted for Obama over Michele Bachmann. But that is it. (nm)
stampadres - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 01:01 pm [ID# 1356206] [reply]
UtahUte72 icon NEW: I would have had a difficult time voting for either Santorum or Gingrich.
UtahUte72 - Top 25 Poster -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 01:46 pm [ID# 1356230] [reply]
New York icon NEW: RE: Presidential Politics
New York - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 12:50 pm [ID# 1356201] [reply]
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Buzz Potez icon NEW: That, my friends, is some deep political analysis. (nm)
Buzz Potez - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 01:17 pm [ID# 1356213] [reply]
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o NEW: I am a dyed in the wool independent fence sitter....
BaldHatu - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 12:52 pm [ID# 1356202] [reply]
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cbute icon NEW: Sixty years from now, history will not be kind to Pres. Obama--if his term were to end today that is. (nm)
cbute - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 01:08 pm [ID# 1356210] [reply]
o NEW: Which, to me, is unfortunate.... He had a golden opportunity.
BaldHatu - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 01:48 pm [ID# 1356231] [reply]
Buzz Potez icon NEW: You lost me at the part where you were reading about politics in the DNews. (nm)
Buzz Potez - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 01:15 pm [ID# 1356211] [reply]
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o NEW: I kinda sorta agree. (long)
Rutebega - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 01:25 pm [ID# 1356214] [reply]
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o NEW: But Romney could change the demographics of the GOP
311polo - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 01:46 pm [ID# 1356228] [reply]
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pangloss icon NEW: Something I would like to see from Romney
pangloss - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 01:36 pm [ID# 1356219] [reply]
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pangloss icon NEW: Oh, and asking for someone who supports Pres. Obama among the readers of the Deseret News is like asking for Utah fans on the Provostan campus. They may exist, but they few, far between, and keeping their heads down. (nm)
pangloss - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 01:40 pm [ID# 1356222] [reply]
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UtahUte72 icon NEW: I really hope that whoever gets in there is some middle ground that can be found for agreement.
UtahUte72 - Top 25 Poster -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 01:49 pm [ID# 1356233] [reply]
o NEW: In Massachusettes Mitt showed he can work across the aisle and get things done.
311polo - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 01:56 pm [ID# 1356237] [reply]
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UtahUte72 icon NEW: I was really upset with how Obama handled healthcare, particularly when he had a compromise to be had.
UtahUte72 - Top 25 Poster -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 02:00 pm [ID# 1356242] [reply]
o NEW: Let's be honest, this same charge can be laid at Obama's feet. Ridiculous and extreme comments are always made from the left, but no one bats an eye. (nm)
311polo - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 01:48 pm [ID# 1356232] [reply]
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UtahUte72 icon NEW: Like Biden saying Romney wouldn't have OKd the raid on Bin Laden.
UtahUte72 - Top 25 Poster -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 01:57 pm [ID# 1356239] [reply]
o NEW: I think both sides screwed the pooch on the Bin Laden issue.
311polo - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 02:21 pm [ID# 1356254] [reply]
UtahUte72 icon NEW: That's why I think it's wise for Mitt to stay out of the debate and let the outrage come from the military community.
UtahUte72 - Top 25 Poster -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 02:33 pm [ID# 1356262] [reply]
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pangloss icon NEW: Taking your post out of context, I agree that "Romney wouldn't have OKd the raid"
pangloss - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 03:05 pm [ID# 1356274] [reply]
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UtahUte72 icon NEW: Nice job of Obama spin control.
UtahUte72 - Top 25 Poster -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 03:18 pm [ID# 1356283] [reply]
cbute icon NEW: I don't see how Romney changed his stance there. Maybe I'm just not liberal enough to read a change into what he said. (nm)
cbute - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 03:20 pm [ID# 1356286] [reply]
pangloss icon NEW: I left out one of his quotes,
pangloss - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 03:36 pm [ID# 1356297] [reply]
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cbute icon NEW: I have no problem with Obama taking credit for the decision, but I don't like that it seems like he is trying to take credit for the whole capture and killing. (nm)
cbute - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 06:16 pm [ID# 1356357] [reply]
o NEW: He said the same thing in both quotes, smh (short)
TexansUtes - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 03:24 pm [ID# 1356288] [reply]
rbentz icon NEW: Ding ding ding!!! Red star for you. (nm)
rbentz - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 02:10 pm [ID# 1356245] [reply]
o NEW: obama may not have been born in america
coolcoug - -- Monday 7 May 2012, at 01:43 pm [ID# 1356225] [reply]
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