Taking your post out of context, I agree that "Romney wouldn't have OKd the raid"
Posted By: pangloss
Date: Monday, May 7, 2012 at 03:05 pm
In Peter Bergen's book "Man Hunt", he says the intelligence folks gave estimates of 40 to 80 percent that bin Laden was in the compound. Some of the President's top advisers recommended against the raid. Some recommended an air strike. Sec of State Clinton is reported saying "Its a very close call, but I would say: Do the raid. This was in March 2011. Once they had the go ahead, they built replicas of the compound and practiced the raid. To suggest Obama delayed the raid is not in the factual record, aka bull $#!+, so to speak
Adm. Mullen, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs says it was President Obama who insisted on additional aircraft backup for the raid. After one of the helicopters crashed, that decision saved the day.
On July 31, 2007 Sen. Obama said that as president, "I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won't act, we will."
In short, he said he would strike inside Pakistan to kill al Qa'ida leaders if given the right set of facts.
At that time Romney responded "I do not concur in the words of Barack Obama in a plan to enter an ally of ours... I don't think those kinds of comments help in this effort to draw more friends to our effort,..."
Also in 2007 during a Republican nominating debate, Romney said:
LIZ SIDOTI: "Why haven't we caught bin Laden in your opinion?"
GOVERNOR MITT ROMNEY: "I think, I wouldn't want to over-concentrate on Bin Laden. He's one of many, many people who are involved in this global Jihadist effort. He's by no means the only leader. It's a very diverse group Hamas, Hezbollah, al-Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood and of course different names throughout the world. It's not worth moving heaven and earth and spending billions of dollars just trying to catch one person. It is worth fashioning and executing an effective strategy to defeat global, violent Jihad and I have a plan for doing that."
SIDOTI: "But would the world be safer if bin laden were caught?"
GOVERNOR ROMNEY: "Yes, but by a small percentage increase a very insignificant increase in safety by virtue of replacing bin Laden with someone else. Zarqawi we celebrated the killing of Zarqawi, but he was quickly replaced. Global Jihad is not an effort that is being populated by a handful or even a football stadium full of people. It is it involves millions of people and is going to require a far more comprehensive strategy than a targeted approach for bin laden or a few of his associates."
SIDOTI: "Do you fault the administration for not catching him though? I mean, they've had quite a few years going after him."
GOVERNOR ROMNEY: "There are many things that have not been done perfectly in any conduct of war. In the Second World War, we paratroopered in our troops further than they were supposed to be from the beaches. We landed in places on the beaches that weren't anticipated. Do I fault Eisenhower? No, he won. And I'm nowhere near as consumed with bin Laden as I am concerned about global Jihadist efforts."
Of course, a few days later in a nominating debate he switched,
MODERATOR: "Gov. Romney, respond to the mentioned reference to you ... by Sen. McCain."
ROMNEY: "Thank you. Of course we get Osama bin Laden and track him wherever he has to go, and make sure he pays for the outrage he exacted upon America."
MODERATOR: "Can we move heaven and earth to do it?"
ROMNEY: "We'll move everything to get him. But I don't want to buy into the Democratic pitch that this is all about one person Osama bin Laden because after we get him, there's going to be another and another. This is about Shia and Sunni. This is about Hezbollah and Hamas and al-Qaida and the Muslim Brotherhood. This is a worldwide jihadist effort to try and cause the collapse of all moderate Islamic governments and replace them with a caliphate.
"They ultimately want to bring down the United States of America.
"This is a global effort we're going to have to lead to overcome this jihadist effort. It's more than Osama bin Laden.
"But he is going to pay, and he will die."
Now, Romney is quoted saying "even Jimmy Carter would have given that order." Which is a particularly obnoxious thing to say about someone who spent 10 years in the Navy by someone who, like me, avoided the draft.
To suggest Romney might not have made the same decision about the raid is not far fetched or unfair.
Conversely if President Obama were on the record saying anything close to what Romney said, he would be accused of being an al Qa'ida sympathizer.
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Taking your post out of context, I agree that "Romney wouldn't have OKd the raid"
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