* Note: Current rankings are based on activity in the last calendar
While I am hoping BYU doesn't get into the BigXII, there are a few reasons I wouldn't mind it.
by UteThunder 2016-07-22 13:06:59
1. The BigXII would not let BYU's dirty play go unpunished. They would no longer be able to handle things "internally" when one of their players throws a punch or leads with their head.
2. Stabilization of the BigXII can help prevent the formation of super-conferences. This is more of a general concept, as the BigXII doesn't necessarily get stabilized by adding BYU. In fact, whatever stabilization they can accomplish by expanding will happen regardless of which G5 teams they choose. So whether it is Houston and Cincinnati or BYU and Memphis, the resulting stabilization will be the same.
3. BYU in the BigXII basically guarantees that BYU will never be in the Pac-12. I know we like to think that is already the case, but with the threat of super-conferences looming there will always be a sliver of a chance that BYU could become an option with the lack of good expansion options in the West.
4. It will be nice to see BYU finally have to face the week-in and week-out brutality of a P5 schedule. Since going independent, they have never faced more than 3 P5s in a row and have never played more than 6 in a regular season.
CA - 35
UT - 30
FL - 11
TX - 9
WA - 4
AZ - 3
NV - 3
HI - 2
LA - 2
CO - 1
ID - 1
OR - 1
PA - 1
Australia - 1
Japan - 1
Total - 105
More than half of the roster comes from CA, FL, & TX and less than a third comes from UT.
p.s. According to a Deseret News article, Utah had 20 returned missionaries on the 2015 roster. Pretty safe bet the number is approximately the same this year. IOW - Stop beating that same tired drum AAU.
I could see BYU getting an invite to the BigXII, but there was a statement made by either their commissioner or one of their presidents a couple of weeks ago that makes me think they will be passed over.
by UteThunder 2016-07-19 16:38:58
I can't remember the quote word for word, nor can I find it now, but the basic gist of what he was saying(IIRC) was this:
'Some people might question the rationale of who we would expand with.'
I wish I could find the actual quote, but the context of it seemed to say "A lot of people think BYU is the best choice, but we are leaning elsewhere."
16 team super-conferences. Who does the Pac-12 end up with?
by UteThunder 2016-07-19 15:20:27
I'm assuming that if super-conferences happen, it will be because one or more of the ACC, B1G, and SEC expand to 16. If one of those leagues expands to 16 it will most likely be with Texas +1 and Oklahoma +1. I don't think anyone is getting Texas and Oklahoma by themselves.
So, let's say the B1G takes Texas and TX-Tech and the SEC takes Oklahoma and OK-State. The ACC likely takes West Virginia and who else? Does Notre Dame finally join a conference and become a full member of the ACC? More importantly, who does the Pac-12 take to get to 16?
I would think we take Kansas and KS-State plus two more of the following: Houston, TCU, CSU, UNLV, Hawaii and New Mexico.
Man, I really hope 16 team super-conferences never happen. The Pac-12 is perfect as presently constituted.
The answer to what it will take to win the Pac-12 South, and more importantly, the Pac-12 Championship.
by UteThunder 2016-07-16 13:26:28
Below are the per game averages IN PAC-12 PLAY ONLY for the North & South Champions as well as Utah. *USC is listed as the South Champion for 2011 because they had the best record in the South but were ineligible for post-season play. I didn't think the 2011 UCLA team was a valid comparison for what is needed to win the division in a typical season.
Going off of the 5 year averages for the South Champion, Utah will need to improve upon last year's conference performance by 8+ points per game and 60+ total yards per game to win the division; Utah will need to improve by 9+ ppg and 75+ total yards per game to win the conference. Obviously, this is just to beat the averages and there is a possibility that we could win it with less, but there is also a possibility we will need even more to win the division/conference.
5 Year Avg
Bottom line: I believe, at a minimum, we are going to need 250+ yards passing, 175+ yards rushing, and 38 ppg in conference play to win the Pac-12 title.
A while back, I posted a comparison of the last 25 football seasons for Utah & BYU to disprove the "Utah has only had two good seasons, BYU has had 40 years of greatness" myth they perpetuate. Now, a closer look at one of those comparisons: P5 Record
Part of the argument we get from BYU fans when we throw out our better record vs P5 teams is that we play weak P5 teams while they are playing the creme de la creme. While it is true that they have played some tough teams over the years, they have also played their share of cupcakes while we have slayed some giants(something they have NEVER done).
From 1991 - 2015, the last 25 seasons . . .
Record vs P5 Teams
In Utah's 53 wins, the opponents have a combined record of 299-348-1(.462)
In BYU's 33 wins, the opponents have a combined record of 174-224-1(.437)
Wins vs 6+ Win P5 Teams
Utah = 28
BYU = 20
Wins vs 9+ Win P5 Teams
Utah = 8
BYU = 2
Wins vs 10+ Win P5 Teams
Utah = 4
BYU = 0
In Utah's 46 losses, the opponents have a combined record of 351-231-1(.603)
In BYU's 49 losses, the opponents have a combined record of 381-208-2(.646)
To the delight of many, I am going to try to take a step back from defending the police.
by UteThunder 2016-07-11 14:51:20
I may seem vociferous in defending our police, but it is only because I am one of the few here willing to look at things from their side. The people who bash the police here seem to do it from a place of hatred and anger for getting a ticket. They are unwilling to put themselves in an officer's shoes and see why things might happen the way they happen. They have little to no knowledge of the laws and policies that govern police work, or why those laws and policies were enacted.
When an officer seemingly over steps his bounds because he had the audacity to fear for his life, the best they get is "they signed up for that" or "they don't have the right" or "they work for us" as if any of that means cops can't or shouldn't do the things they do to make it home alive each day.
I love our police officers and the job they do. Are they perfect? Of course not. When they violate the law, they should be held accountable. But they should be held accountable by the law, not rioting protestors and cowardly snipers.
In closing, a "careful what you wish for" warning to all of those who are anti-police, or cop-haters, or even just cop-bashers:
You may think the police are bad now, but you just wait. As the public outrage continues to build, we are going to move from where we are now to one of two extremes.
1) Total anarchy due to a lack of an adequate police force(in numbers) or due to a neutered police force unable to act with any authority - in effect they will become glorified security guards who observe and report but never arrest or detain.
2) We will become a police state not too far off from what Nazi Germany was. You may say we are already there, but we aren't even close. To maintain order and "treat everyone equally" our society will become one where every citizen is required to show their papers, whether they are making a midnight beer run in a bad neighborhood or out for an afternoon jog in the nicest part of town. Everyone will be under suspicion and law-abiding citizens will long for the days when it was just the criminals the police worried about.
I'm sure many will call me crazy, but there is no happy medium where police and criminals live in harmony and nobody is ever shot. What we have now isn't perfect, but it is about as close as our society is capable of and is much better than the alternatives.
To UteMan and anyone else who has a problem with police writing traffic tickets.
by UteThunder 2016-07-08 12:20:14
First and foremost, the purpose of writing traffic citations is to keep people safe. Allowing people to violate the laws of the road is a recipe for mass carnage.
Secondarily, traffic stops are used for investigative purposes. Every day, hundreds of people with warrants for their arrest are taken off the streets due to traffic stops. Hundreds of more people involved in illegal activity are arrested as a result of traffic stops.
Third, it is used as a way of making sure officers aren't parking under a tree and taking a nap. If they are making stops and writing citations when there are no calls, this shows that they are out doing their job, policing the community.
Fourth, and here is the big one for you "revenue generators" people. Yes, revenue is generated from the fines collected on traffic violations. But rather than think of this in simple terms of "revenue generation" you need to start looking at it for what it is, and that is an idiot tax. Running a city or county costs money. That money can come from one of two places. Either we all pay in the form of much higher taxes, or the idiots who can't follow the law can pay. If you don't like paying the idiot tax, well, stop breaking the law.
If anyone thinks we should just raise taxes, that's fine, but the police will still be writing citations with the accompanying fines for the three reasons listed above.
Team 4 in my game by game predictions of Utah opponents and other teams of note.
by UteThunder 2016-07-06 15:07:29
Oregon State 3-9(1-8)
Up next, the Arizona State Sun Devils
Northern Arizona W
Texas Tech L
@ UTSA W
@ USC L
@ Colorado W
Washington State L
@ Oregon L
@ Washington L
@ Arizona L
After a 3-1 start, the wheels come off as the Sun Devils hit the meat of their schedule. ASU is losing 4 of their starting OL from last year and only returns 4 starters on offense. The Devils still have talent, but without Graham's ability to steal signals from his opponents, I don't think that talent is going to be in position to make the needed plays to win games in this league. Does Todd Graham start eyeing his next job halfway through the season?
Team 3 in my game by game predictions of Utah opponents and other teams of note.
by UteThunder 2016-07-05 15:49:34
Oregon State 3-9(1-8)
Up next, the Colorado Buffaloes
@ Colorado State(Denver, CO) W
Idaho State W
@ Michigan L
@ Oregon L
Oregon State W
@ USC L
Arizona State L
@ Stanford L
@ Arizona W
Washington State L
The poor Buffaloes, just can't seem to pick up any momentum. Their best record since joining the Pac-12 is 4-8(2013) and they've only won more than 1 conference game one time(2 wins in 2011). Playing a one-and-done at Michigan, (who does that?) isn't a smart move for a team trying to re-build what used to be a great program but has been stuck in a decade long funk. I think part of the problem is they have a decent coach in a conference full of great coaches. This will be year 4 under Coach MacIntyre, and a 4 win season could mean it is the final year for the former San Jose State coach.
Team 2 in my game by game predictions of Utah opponents and other teams of note.
by UteThunder 2016-07-01 11:19:59
Up next, the Oregon State Beavers
@ Minnesota W
Idaho State W
Boise State L
@ Colorado L
@ Washington L
Washington State L
@ Stanford L
@ UCLA L
Gary's team takes a small step forward, improving on their 2-10 record from last year by just a single game. Similar to the job he had at Utah State, it is going to take Andersen at least 3 years to get this team bowl eligible. His re-build was made even more difficult with the departure of his DC after just one year. Then again, with the way KS's defenses seemed to be slowly regressing at Utah, maybe Oregon State is better off.
The Beavers could maybe pick up a 4th win against Colorado, but even if they do, the rest of their schedule just seems unfair for a team that is in a downturn. Especially when you consider their bye comes in week 2 followed by the Idaho State game. That leaves 10 straight weeks of big boy football without a break, bookended by Boise State and Oregon.
It's time for my annual game-by-game predictions for each of our opponents and a few other teams of interest.
by UteThunder 2016-06-30 13:43:25
This will be day 1 of predicting each team's games and final record. I am starting a bit earlier this year because I always seem to run out of time before fall camp begins. This year I will be predicting every Pac-12 team, our two FBS non-conference opponents, as well as Utah State, Boise State, and Virginia. We will work our way from worst record to best.
First up, the California Golden Bears.
@ Hawaii(Sydney, Australia) W
@ San Diego State W
@ Arizona State L
@ Oregon State L
@ USC L
@ Washington State L
The Bears take a big step back from their 8-5 finish last year. They started off a red-hot 5-0 before losing to Utah, the first of 4 straight losses on their way to finishing 3-5 in the last 8 games. On top of that, 4 of their 8 wins were by a total of 6 points or less. The loss of Goff is what will really hurt them in my mind. He seemed to be their whole team last year, and without him, things are going to be rough.
I hate to be a downer, but the Phil Steele article referenced below(and that I also posted about yesterday) is only part of a larger picture that isn't so rosy for Utah.
by UteThunder 2016-06-28 13:34:47
When looking at experienced teams, Steele does look at the number of juniors and seniors in the 2 deep - the more the better. But that is just one factor in his more complete rankings. The other factors include percentage of lettermen returning, percentage of tackles returning, percentage of yardage returning, and career starts on the offensive line.
Utah ranks really well in two of the categories, average in one category, and really poor in the remaining two categories:
#4 - JRs and SRs in the two deep(35)
#18 - Career starts on the offensive line(90)
#55 - Percentage of Lettermen Returning(70.6% )
#108 - Percentage of tackles returning(51.19% )
#128 - Percentage of yards returning(19.69% )
When all of the factors are combined, Utah's final experience ranking according to Steele is #91 in the country.
Other teams of note, Utah opponents in bold: #4 BYU
#23 Washington State
#26 Boise State
#33 Virginia #39 USC
#43 San Jose State
#75 Oregon State
#90 Utah State #102 Oregon
#122 Stanford #126 Arizona State
#128 Ohio State
If experience is an indicator of success, this may be Utah's best chance to win the Pac-12 since joining the league.
by UteThunder 2016-06-27 09:41:39
Phil Steele lists Utah as being the 4th most experienced team in the country.
Here is how our opponents stack up.
#76 Oregon State
#87 Arizona State
#93 San Jose State
NR - SUU
Other Pac-12 Teams:
#76 Washington State
Looking at some of the other teams at the top of the list, you could say this doesn't mean anything for Utah. However, Utah is returning all of this experience from a team that has gone 9-4 & 10-3 in the Pac-12 the last two years. As has been said many times before, if Utah's offense can just be 'average' (particularly the QB ), then we may be in for a special season.
Utah's biggest Pac-12 win since joining the conference. The nominees are . . .
by UteThunder 2016-06-21 12:44:56
In chronological order
2013 - 27-21 vs #5 Stanford: The Cardinal finished the season 11-3 and ranked #10 in the coaches poll. This was a monumental upset.
2014 - 30-28 @ #8 UCLA: A very similar upset to the win over Stanford. On one hand, this might be a more impressive win considering it was on the road. On the other hand, UCLA was ranked "only" #8, and finished 10-3 with a final ranking of #10.
2014 - 24-21 vs #20 USC: First conference win over the unofficial king of the conference. The Trojans finished the season 9-4 and ranked #19.
2015 - 62-20 @ #13 Oregon: Another "first conference win", this time on the road, and in such dominant fashion. The Ducks went on to finish the season 9-4, ranked #19.
2015 - 30-24 vs #23 Cal: The Bears finished the year just 8-5 and unranked, but this was a huge game at the time with College Gameday in town and Utah intercepting the eventual #1 overall pick 5 times.
2011 vs OSU - First conference win
2011 @ Zona - First conference road win
2011 vs UCLA - First conference win over a bowl eligible team, the Bruins also won the South Division that year.
2015 @ Washington - First win EVER against the Huskies.
"The Utes have only had 2 good years, BYU has had 40 years of greatness."
by UteThunder 2016-06-17 15:23:51
Really? This is what those assclowns believe? God, I have heard this phrase uttered by BYU fans at least 100 times. Do they really believe such nonsense? Because if they do, then they have to discount the last 25 years of their program's "40 year's of greatness".
**Record vs Teams in Pac-12, SEC, B1G, ACC, BigXII
Finished Ranked in Top 25:
Seasons of .692(9-4) or better:
Seasons of .500(6-6) or worse:
Head to Head:
**Note: For record vs P5 teams I excluded games that occurred while the opponent was not a member of a BCS/AQ/P5 conference. So games against teams like Louisville prior to 2005 and TCU prior to 2012 weren't counted. Counting those types of games would have boosted Utah's record and BYU's would have stayed the same, as the Utes have an 8-3 record and the Cougars are 4-6.
In a nutshell, over the last decade, Utah has one of the best winning percentages against teams currently in the ACC and BigXII which makes the Utes a team those conferences are not likely to want to schedule for fear of losing.
Over the last decade(2006-15):
5-0 vs. teams in ACC - 2-0 vs Pitt, 1-0 vs GaTech, 2-0 vs Louisville
4-2 vs. teams in BigXII - 1-0 vs Iowa State, 3-2 vs TCU
"Domo should be kicked off the team!" "I don't want someone who would do what Domo has done to represent my school."
by UteThunder 2016-06-06 17:54:36
Just a couple of the common sentiments shared by many Ute fans last summer before the full story about what Domo had actually done was known last summer.
Might be best for everyone to wait for all of the facts to come out before declaring Young "stupid" and calling for harsh penalties. Kyle Whittingham and the University of Utah typically handle these things well and I believe they will do the right thing here.
I'm bored and this place has been pretty slow lately, so here are some Big XII expansion thoughts.
by UteThunder 2016-06-05 22:41:20
What will the BigXII divisions look like, and will they affect who gets invited if they expand?
With their current makeup, it is hard to see them doing anything other than a zipper type alignment for their two 5 team divisions, but let's take a look at the possibilities.
North/South: A North/South split should put all of the Texas and Oklahoma schools in the same division but there are 6 of them, so who would be left out? Even after they expand, keeping all 6 of them in the same division doesn't seem desirable. I believe a North/South split like this would also limit any expansion to teams from the East as I don't think the Northern teams would be okay with having to travel from West Virginia(or Connecticut) all the way to Fort Collins or Provo while the Southern teams do most of their travel in Texas and Oklahoma.
East/West: An East/West split would also put all of the Texas and Oklahoma schools in the same division except for one, which again, leaves the question of who will be put in the opposite division? They would have to keep the 6 of them together which limits expansion to the East.
Zipper: Dividing teams based more on a rivalry type alignment seems like the most fair and logical set up and would keep their expansion prospects open. It would look something like what I have posted below. I paired up the teams with their most logical in-state rival and then split them by putting the Eastern most rival in West Virginia's division and the Western most rival in Iowa State's division.
- Oklahoma State
- West Virginia
- Texas Tech
- Kansas State
- Iowa State
If they expand, I believe the BigXII expands East and West. I'm guessing they are going to pick up Cincinnati and either CSU or BYU. Cincinnati will be put in Division 1 and CSU or BYU will be put in Division 2. If they decide to go North/South or East/West, they will only expand to the East and they will take Cincinnati and UConn or Memphis.
So we now have to play them in football and basketball, both at their place in the same season? Who the hell came up with this idea?
by UteThunder 2016-05-26 16:44:33
Sure, they will also have to come to our place for both in 2018 assuming the basketball series gets extended beyond 2017, but still, this is just so dumb. If we are going to play them in football and basketball, then the games for both sports shouldn't both be on the same school's campus in a given year.
Heard a snippet of an interview with Kyle today and when talking about the talent and depth at Safety, he mentioned something to the effect of "and we don't even have Chase back yet". The way he said it made it sound like the decision has been made and Chase is no longer a potential QB.
The move wouldn't surprise anyone, but has anyone heard anything definitive on this?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't one of the reasons Poeltl came back that his mom was more interested in him earning his degree than having him play in the NBA? I swear I heard that at the beginning of this season, maybe during the BYU game?
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