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    If you take out the BYA years like BYU prefers, 5 times before LaVell and 4 times since, for a total of 9 non-LaVell wins.

    by TheBaron
    2014-08-27 13:12:29

    Additionally, LaVell is the only BYU coach with a winning record against Utah, and as soon as Utah stopped being one of the worst teams in the country LaVell finished his career 3-5 against the Utes. His last win needed a blown call before the days of instant replay or he'd have gone 2-6 against Utah teams with a pulse. (LaVell himself has admitted on many occasions that Staley's knee was down in 2000.)

    9 times total, only one coach with a winning record, and that coach struggled to beat Utah as soon as we stopped being terrible. The dominance of BYU is a ridiculous myth. BYU's dominance was mostly about Utah sucking rather than BYU being great, which is why BYU generally got their asses kicked whenever they played a good team. They did have a small handful of nice wins during the LaVell glory days, but mostly BYU was on the receiving end of the ass kickings.

    From the time LaVell showed up until Utah stopped sucking in 1993, BYU went 5-12 in bowl games for a sad 29.4% winning percentage. Much like Bronco, LaVell struggled to beat good teams and almost always walloped the bad ones. Fortunately for him, the teams they played were almost always bad and BYU was able to win a lot of games.

    People need to keep in mind that back in the 70s and 80s the gap between the bad teams and the good teams was a lot larger than it is today due to much higher scholarship limits that allowed power conference teams to load up on all of the good players, a far smaller talent pool to draw from, etc. The teams BYU was beating up on in the WAC were generally awful, if not downright putrid. BYU football's brand always has been and always will be bullying the worst teams in the country, losing against the good ones, and crowing about going undefeated against a triple digit SOS in 1984.

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    If Bronco would just be honest about why he wants to play Utah, it would sound like this...

    by Samak
    2014-08-27 09:05:04

    "Even though it would mean losing to Utah for a fifth time in a row, our schedule is so pathetic we still badly want to play the game."

    "This independence thing isn't going anything like we thought. In fact it sucks. We can't hardly get any P5 teams on the schedule and almost none will come to Provo. We're stuck playing Savannah State on senior night in November and it's embarrassing. Utah's the only game that ever sells out in Provo and we're desperate for the rivalry to continue."

    "We've begged the Big 12 to let us in and that's not working. So we have to do anything to get Utah back on the schedule even if it means calling them chickens like we're in kindergarten."

    Poor pathetic BYU.

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    Things to remember going into tomorrow's opening game.

    by Greginslc
    2014-08-27 13:43:51

    This season is going to be the toughest schedule Utah has seen.

    Our team needs to bring its A game for 11 of those 12 games to have a shot to win.

    The season is going to be a roller coaster ride just like the last 3 have been.

    We are never as bad as we think we are. Conversely, we are never as good, either.

    Finally, regardless of what happens we can still hold our heads up and give thanks because at least we are not fans of TDS.

    GO UTES!!!

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    Stream test and info :)

    by Cochoz
    2014-08-27 09:08:17

    Official Stream Link: http://www.hitbox.tv/UUtes

    Sample Video: http://www.hitbox.tv/video/236567 - Let me know how it looks. My apologies for the quality, I don't have a HD box.

    Open Chat-room: http://www.hitbox.tv/embedchat/uutes <--- this is the chatroom used on the stream but without any video.

    EDIT: Games will be saved for 14 days on this channel. If you miss the game, click on the "VIDEOS" tab and you will see it there.

    See ya all tomorrow at 5pm MT!

    Go Utes!

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    The only thing Utah needs is a W and to be injury free.

    by BaldHatu
    2014-08-27 10:43:42

    Nothing else. Dog and pony shows relative to point totals will be irrelevant.

    If struggles to get the O rolling there might be cause for concern (little to no 3 and outs) is the only other thing I am looking for.

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    The numbers....

    by Vegas Ute
    2014-08-27 12:49:57

    If you don't count the Brigham Young Academy years (3-3) the series stands

    54-31-4 (.629 for Utah)

    LaVell Edwards coached at BYU for 29 years; in his first 21 years BYU was 19-2 vs. Utah. In his last 8 years BYU was 3-5 vs. Utah. So one can see that BYU's dominance actually ended almost a decade before Edwards retired.

    If you take out LaVell's 22-7 record vs. Utah the series would stand at 47-9-4 (.817 for Utah) A bit shocking to see that in black and white, eh?

    The Zoobie view of the universe stems completely from the now mythological idea that the 19-2 run from 1972 to 1992 was "normal" and the entire rest of history is some sort of fluke that will soon return to the mean.

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    I love your ritual on a change of possession ...

    by vUUdoo
    2014-08-27 10:57:06

    where you lineup in a three point stance, simulate hiking the ball and sprint on to the field.

    Ignore those who think it is stupid and embarrasing, cause it's not.

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    Remember for tomorrow!

    by Flyer
    2014-08-27 09:08:19

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    Just a random thought on Utah vs. TDS

    by High Uintas
    2014-08-27 15:22:43

    Most of us love sports because we love competition, right?

    What fun is competition if the rewards aren't great and there is no risk?

    Many Utah fans have commented on the importance of this season and the risk of a bad season is certainly out there. But would you really want it any other way? Would you prefer a riskless season like BYU's schedule where you can virtually pencil in at least 7 wins and a bowl game? If BYU goes 12-0 they still probably won't make a New Year's Bowl game and even if they did, we've already been there and done that twice. Utah has moved on to building toward bigger things. As this season kicks off tomorrow, I'm truly excited about the season because competition at the highest level just has no comparison.

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    Au Contraire. Many of the games BYU played in Salt Lake City were "home games" for BYU.

    by Ute in DC
    2014-08-27 15:35:17

    No one was making BYU play in Ute Stadium. These were conference games, but BYU decided is made more business sense to hold the games in Ute Stadium.

    If that put BYU at any competitive disadvantage (I doubt it), then you should blame your own administration for that.

    See, e.g., this Deseret News article from October 6, 1960.

    This game is BYU's "home" affair though it's in the Ute Stadium.

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    2014-08-27 08:45:24

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    Two things:

    by Weenus
    2014-08-27 12:20:00

    One - How stupid do you have to be to get caught smoking pot when you have a multi-million dollar a year job riding on it?
    Two - Can we just get past the idea that some kid smoking a joint at a party it going to destroy society?

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