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    Fans come and go. Saying you're a "Utah Man" -- no matter your gender -- is a powerful statement.

    by StLouisUte
    2014-04-23 09:44:32

    A Utah Man forever supports the University to the best of his or her own power; proudly wears Ute gear everywhere he or she visits; always has faith in the team; and bleeds a little with every athletic loss.

    "Man" was chosen with clear purpose. Settling for "Fan" would water down its meaning. Let's not take that away. Let's not let it go.

    My wife and I both proudly say, "A Utah Man am I".

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    This is one of the points that "gets" me...

    by Vegas Ute
    2014-04-23 11:05:37

    The song is 110 years old... Of course the lyrics are antiquated. They didn't become antiquated this year, they didn't become out-of-date 5 years ago, or 10 years ago, or 30 years ago, or 50 years ago either...

    I seriously think UofU students in 1940s thought the lyrics were old-fashioned and not fitting the current (1940) student body.

    The thing is none, or at least very few generations of UofU students took a set of lyrics 30, 50, 75, or 100 years old as an insult.

    Students that witnessed WWI, the Great Depression, WWII, Korea, the Civil Rights movement, Vietnam, Watergate, and the AIDs epidemic weren't going to worry too much about some quaint old lyrics.

    We are not talking about voting rights, financial barriers, hostile work environments, or access to education, employment, or life saving health care... We are not talking about real damage to any "excluded" group of students. This brouhaha is very much about the worst part of the Victimization Olympics that the PC movement has generated.

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    If I were President Pershing my response to ASUU would read something like this.

    by cornelius
    2014-04-23 09:52:03

    I would like to commend our student government for tackling a tough a issue with the goal of making our fight song "Utah Man" more inclusive. An active student body government that doesn't shy away from difficult decisions is an important part of every top academic institution, and we here are the University of Utah are very proud of ASUU and the work that they do on behalf of the students.

    However, after speaking with many individuals from all sections of the University community I believe that this decision is too important to be left to ASUU alone. Therefore, to further the theme of inclusivity,I will be returning this issue to ASUU and ask that they revisit "Utah Man" in a way that is more inclusive to all members of the University of Utah community. The greatness of this University comes from the students, administrators, faculty, and alumni. I believe it is imperative that all their voices be heard on this important issue.

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    Just sent this to President Pershing...

    by 4evrute
    2014-04-23 16:31:54

    Dear President Pershing,

    As a life-long Ute, (my father had season tickets when the basketball team played at the Deseret Gym), an alum, a season ticket holder for both football and basketball, and a strong Crimson Club supporter, I want to encourage you to retain the words to "Utah Man."

    Changing "Utah man" to "Utah fan" does not seem more inclusive. In the same way the Declaration of Independence declares "all men are created equal," the word "man" used in the song applies to all, not simply to the male gender.

    While the student leaders are an important part of the University community and it is good their voices have been heard, they are not the only members of the community. Faculty, staff, alumni and all current students voices count and should be heard. In my opinion, those offended by the words to the fight song are searching hard for something about which to be offended. There are far more important issues facing the university and the community at large.

    Please do not change the words to "Utah Man." It has been an important part of the University of Utah and it's supporters for generations. As a supporter of the University and as a woman, I have been and will always be a "Utah Man."

    Thank you.

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    Just curious why did Mclellon, Allen, Lewis, Hatfield or Norwood not count last year but they do this year? They were all on the roster and none of them redshirted.

    by utebehindenemylines
    2014-04-23 11:13:40

    If you thought our depth at TE was bad last year, I've got some news for you about this year.

    Also, why do you give us the benefit of the doubt when it comes to replacing meaningful starters but not our opponents?

    Arizona lost their QB, RB, a lot on their OL, and some off their defense. They are currently auditioning 4 guys for QB, which means none are that good. You don't let 4 guys get shot if any of them are blowing you away.

    But the fact that we have 8 guys vying for the QB spot is somehow a positive.

    Michigan does not have a new QB, unless they decide not to play Devin Gardner.

    I'm not convinced we're better than any team we lost to last year.

    This is the logic I'm talking about...
    ASU: They were better last year, we are better this year and we only lost by 1.
    Ummmm, based on what?

    I'm not saying we don't win 6 games, but your logic goes against itself several times in this post.

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    2014-04-23 14:22:05


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    RE: Here's my letter to President Pershing:

    by UTEopia
    2014-04-23 12:48:31

    and mine:

    President Pershing, I hope you have more important things to do then involve yourself in the discussion about the fight song "Utah Man", but my guess is that you are involved whether you like it or not.

    My wife and I both graduated from the U in 1982. We have had 2 daughters and 1 son graduate and our other son is currently attending. We have been avid supporters and season ticket owners since our graduation. I have asked my wife and daughters about the issue and they have all said, it is a silly waste of time and energy. They enjoy the song and do not feel marginalized by the lyrics.

    The student leaders voices have been heard. While they are an important part of the University community, they are not the only members of the community. Faculty, staff, alumni and all current students are part of that community and their voices also count and should be heard.

    I have been on board with changes made to names and traditions to be more sensitive and accommodating to native americans. I understand how they could take offense at painted faces and head dresses. However, in my opinion, people offended by the words of the song are looking for something to be offended about. If they feel strongly about it, they can choose either to not sing or substitute words of their choosing. Do not force it on the rest of us.

    Do not change the words to Utah Man! It means something to be a "Utah Man." It is more than a Utah fan or anything else that might be substituted.

    Daughter 1
    Daughter 2
    Son 1
    Son 2

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    Here's my letter to President Pershing:

    by San Diego Ute Fan
    2014-04-23 12:21:01

    President Pershing,

    As a lifelong fan and graduate of the U, I'd like to make my feelings known on the potential changes to the Utah fight song. I believe the song is not offensive, divisive, or inappropriate in any way, and should be left as is.

    More offensive to me is the way Mr. Ortiz hastily put together an "emergency session" to vote on this, days before his term in office ends. Before any action is taken, the wishes of the student body at large, the staff, alumni, boosters, and fans should be heard.

    I trust that you'll do the right thing by considering the opinions of the entire U community prior to any final decision.


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    Someone asked me how I could possibly see six wins in our schedule next year, when I said it was our floor. Here is where:

    by Ute2004
    2014-04-23 11:06:19

    First of all, depth. Look at last year vs this year:

    QB 2013 - Wilson, Schulz, nothing
    QB 2014 - Wilson/Thompson, Manning, Isom/Cox, Schulz

    HB 2013 - Poole, York, Radley
    HB 2014 - Booker, Poole, Radley, Young

    WR 2013 - Dres, ...., ...., ...., ....
    WR 2014 - Dres, Scott, Clay, McClellon, Lewis, Hatfield, Allen, Norwood

    Look at the difference in the skill positions offensively. It is night and day difference. Last year, when Murphy went down, we only had one reciever. ONE. How easy is it for a defense to double Dres, stack the box and man up the MWC recievers we had last year? VERY.

    Compared to this year. If they double up Dres, then that leaves Booker, Poole, Scott and Clay/Tonga with single coverage. HUGE difference.

    Plus, throw in another year of experience for Wilson, we are much, much improved offensively. MUCH improved.

    Now, look at how we lost last year:

    OSU by 3 points
    UCLA by 7 points
    Arizona by 11
    USC by 16
    ASU by 1
    WSU by 15

    Now, look at those teams above.

    OSU lost Cooks, who killed us last year.
    UCLA is better.
    Arizona lost their QB, RB, a lot on their OL, and some off their defense. They are currently auditioning 4 guys for QB, which means none are that good. You don't let 4 guys get shot if any of them are blowing you away.
    ASU lost 9 of their 11 leading tacklers last year. And their RB.

    So, out of our 7 losses, UCLA, Oregon and maybe WSU are better. Every other team is worse or has big hurdles to leap.

    You don't think we can win one game out of ASU, WSU, OSU and Arizona? With how close we played them last year with no QB, WR, or TE?

    We will beat Idaho St, Fresno St, and Colorado. Three wins right there. Look at the games we could win:

    Michigan: New QB, HB, 4 new OL, all new DL and new secondary
    WSU: at home, we are better than them.
    OSU: took them to OT with a young QB and no Scott. Take away one INT from last year's game and we win. Wilson is in his third year as a starter
    USC: I don't know if I put this here, but they are still thin, the game is at home, and they do have a completely new offense.
    ASU: They were better last year, we are better this year and we only lost by 1.
    Stanford: we just match up to these guys well. Breaking in new HB, OL, LB'ers. They lost a lot last year. BUT they reload well as well. Their style just gives us a chance.
    Arizona: New QB, new HB, at home.

    That is six teams we "could" beat.

    Six wins is our floor this year. Blue star away you pessimistic bastards.

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    I am shocked that ASUU is only dealing with the sexism in "Utah Man". There are several other more significant problems...

    by UtahUteGuy
    2014-04-23 09:14:27

    "Our gang". - Since when does my alma mater tolerate gang-related lyrics? What kind of message does this send to our vulnerable inner city children?

    "Our yell you hear it ringing through the mountains near and far". - Clearly a blatant call for rampant noise pollution. How are ordinary citizens expected to even think given this beseechment of unconscionable cacophony?

    "We're up to snuff" - Whoa, whoa, whoa there. Is this an endorsement of tobacco here? I thought snuff went out with the 19th century. Or perhaps they are calling for the snuffing of the undesirables. Do they endorse snuff films up there at the U film department? This is getting out of hand!

    "No other GANG of college men dare meet us in the Muss". - More of this gang-related rhetoric. Truly appalling.

    "Jolly good OLD sphere" - They are calling the earth old? Clearly ageism at work here. Plus, compared to the age of the universe itself, the earth is a mere adolescent. Let's keep age out of the conversation, please.

    This song is stepping over the line, people, we need to fight back against its oppression. Someone phone Stephen Colbert and get him on this issue. We will not stop until all offensive lyrics have been removed!

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